Comments on Crossword Unclued: The Hindu Crossword Compilers: Your Views?

Confirmed, it should be Gridman tommorow unless th...

2009-06-19T20:16:27.174+05:30

Confirmed, it should be Gridman tommorow unless the powers that be at THE HINDU upset the cycle when NEYARTHA popped up instead of Sankalak and that too on a day reserved for freshers and irregulars on the Orkut Community, it must have been a sight to see their faces on that day.
It should be goodbye to NJ for a month

I like Neyathra's; though I could get only few...

2009-06-19T20:12:41.256+05:30

I like Neyathra's; though I could get only few, I keep following the annos for the ones I can't get in THCS, and keep appreciating the clues.

Sankalak: Nicely set and fun.

Nita Jaggi: Easy, sometimes fun. but there are errors, poor surface reading.

Ten of NJ crosswords have been published in the cu...

2009-06-19T18:39:32.627+05:30

Ten of NJ crosswords have been published in the current series (as can be verified from the Col's blog where the titles with the setter's name appear in the left sidebar). I expect the Saturday puzzle to be Gridman's unless TH disturbs the cyclic order.

Hi Harry, You're right. Nita Jaggi's clues...

2009-06-18T22:40:13.480+05:30

Hi Harry, You're right. Nita Jaggi's clues were much easier to solve in the beginning, though always hard to justify! I wrote this sometime last year, when the clues were easier.

She does 10 crosswords per month. There have been 9 so far (9554 onwards) in this series. One more to go. Monday should be Gridman!

I've been trying to solve the crosswrd for a c...

2009-06-18T21:55:45.564+05:30

I've been trying to solve the crosswrd for a couple o yrs now. Nita was simple early on. But these days i don't get most of her clues. In fact they leave me clueless. Gridman is probably my biggest nemesis. Don't know why Nita's bein persisted with for the last 14 days if i am right!

Evil Inc., I don't get what you mean by old G...

2009-06-13T20:24:01.151+05:30

Evil Inc.,

I don't get what you mean by old Gridman and new.

Since names began appearing, there is only one Gridman.

And old Gridman can become only older? How does he become new?

Please clarify.

Sankalak is my choice. I quite like Nita too but t...

2009-06-12T12:50:48.516+05:30

Sankalak is my choice. I quite like Nita too but the , ahem, "purists" wouldnt have any of it. So I'm gonna say Sankalak and the new Gridman. The old one was pure infuriatin. Maybe he's had a change of heart :) ...
Neyartha is a bit too hard for me, and hence not !!!
Manna is alternately brilliant and plain sad, mostly the latter ...
Cheers

LOL maddy. I'll gladly sponsor if the compilers co...

2009-05-25T18:48:42.237+05:30

LOL maddy. I'll gladly sponsor if the compilers come forward to claim their prizes!

Based on all the above feedbacks, may I be prepost...

2009-05-25T12:53:32.428+05:30

Based on all the above feedbacks, may I be preposterous enough to suggest the following awards -

(i) Dr Jekyll and Hyde Award - MManna

(ii) The Perpetual Bridesmaid Award - Sankalak

(iii) Critics choice award - Neyartha.

(iv) And finally the coveted award of "The most popular compiler providing wholesome entertainment" :

Nominees -
(a) Jekyll MManna ( his alter ego Mr Hyde MManna not nominated)
(b) Sankalak
(c) Gridman

WINNER : Gridman by a landslide margin.

PS : Ms Nita Jaggi was disqualified based on both technical and aesthetic grounds.

PPS : Prizes sponsored by the very generous owner/moderator of the blog :-)

My two cents - I don't evaluate crosswords as eas...

2009-05-25T03:25:10.232+05:30

My two cents -

I don't evaluate crosswords as easy or hard. For me, it is a puzzle which needs to be figured out.

Figuring out involves both the "arts" and the "sciences." Arts is acquired with practice so one gets smarter with time in guessing what the compiler is "meaning-to-say" or "saying-to-mean." The science is what differentiates this from other "games" i.e., one gets to learn new words, new meanings of common words, improve general knowledge etc...etc.

So, I don't mind the use of uncommon words - I mean why should a crossword contain only words that we commonly know? Smart clues accomplish exactly that - express uncommon words through common words.

Given all that, I like Neyartha's puzzles for both the art as well the science reason. I think he is "innovative" with his starred clues and I value that a lot. He makes you think differently and if you crack it then it is very satisfying.

Gridman is "simply clever" and that is a difficult art to master.

Manna is just inconsistent and Sankalak is straightforward or "by the book" as they say.

Lastly, I'm just glad that Nita Jaggi was neither my arts nor the science teacher - she almost single-handedly put me off this whole thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ratings ------------------- difficulty : fairness ...

2009-05-24T08:54:32.181+05:30

Ratings
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difficulty : fairness : fun factor
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Gridman = medium : scrupulously fair : fun

M. Manna = medium-hard : occasionally unfair : lots of fun

Neyartha = hard : fair : not so fun

Sankalak = easy : fair : fun

Nita Jaggi = easy : unfair : yawn

I used to solve THC regularly in school and colleg...

2009-05-23T13:46:01.011+05:30

I used to solve THC regularly in school and college, also participate in the Orkut forum. However, with time being at a premium, I do not participate that often.

Neyartha, Gridman and Sankalak are really good. About Jaggi, the less said, the better. M Manna is on the border, some good, some OK. Some of his words are little known though,

I am a casual solver of crosswords and generally d...

2009-05-22T12:37:32.758+05:30

I am a casual solver of crosswords and generally do not find time to look up dictionaries etc. for answers.It is by chance that I saw this blog and post and am very happy I did. What a nice collection of views. I agree with much of what has been said by the majority. I think crosswords are a pastime for most, an incidental in reading the paper everyday. So a reader would derive more pleasure if he able to solve the puzzles fully on most days. I am personally put off if there are too many unfamiliar words i.e. words not in common use in speech or writing.

Thank you, Col. Gopinathji and Sri Chaturvasiji fo...

2009-05-22T09:27:49.516+05:30

Thank you, Col. Gopinathji and Sri Chaturvasiji for giving your comments. Additionl thanks for accepting the request of a novice like me. And special mention for Suchi for taking pains to start this topic.
It is really amazing to see varied views and reviews on the common thread of Hindu Crossword. Whatever be the opinions, it shows how possessive and attached readers are. It is also pleasant to notice that there are no vitriolic and caustic remarks on the crossword setters. Readers just desire to have a good (or shall we say nice) crossword to solve, that in the end leaves them with a feeling of job well done.
This also shows that despite the emergence of gizmos like playstations, a mere pencil and eraser still gives that thrill and enjoyment.
Let's keep the spirit of solving THC going.
Have a nice day.

P. Ganesan

Ha Ha, I am not posting any comment, because this...

2009-05-22T08:46:13.940+05:30

Ha Ha,
I am not posting any comment, because this discussion was started due to a comment made by me on my blog ;-).
However am adding my two bits as someone mentioned my name.
Generally I am a very reticent person and will comment with pages and pages only if I get bugged.
By the way the other day I saw a CW in the DNA; set by our famous punching bag,the answers to which were Hindi movies and songs, it was sick.
Cheers

I would like to take this opportunity to give my a...

2009-05-22T05:38:01.565+05:30

I would like to take this opportunity to give my assessment of Neyartha's crosswords.

His crosswords may fall under the Hard category but his clueing style cannot be faulted.

Even when a clue has complex wordplay he handles it well.

Anagram and other wordplay indicators are apposite. The different components of the clue gel well. The grammatical structure isn't faulty. The surface reading of the clues is not bizarre.

If quantity is more, quality needn't suffer. Ther...

2009-05-22T05:10:08.551+05:30

If quantity is more, quality needn't suffer.

There can be quantity without quality, quality without quantity and quantity with quality.

As one who has been solving THC from Day One, let me point out that the first ever setter was Admiral R D Katari (Rtd.) and he singlehandedly supplied the weekday puzzle for more than ten years. That his name did not enter any book of records is a different matter.

And I daresay there are other compilers as well whose published number of crosswords might exceed any existing record.

The Admiral's crosswords were uniformly good. His clueing style was impeccable.

Once, upon solving a crossword in which many clues were very good, I wrote to the Editor of the paper that if there were ever A Book of 50 Best Hindu Crosswords, that puzzle would surely find a place in it.

Even in days when there was no Internet, no message boards, no blogs, I used to send letters to the Editor commenting on published crosswords.

Hi Bhargav, Thanks for writing! My thoughts on som...

2009-05-21T22:42:05.180+05:30

Hi Bhargav, Thanks for writing! My thoughts on some parts of your comment:

Somebody said crazy and went on to give the word meanings with which we usually don’t associate the said word with. - Americans do. They say 'crazy' when they mean excellent!

Some people even started wondering whether two persons are involved in setting!? - I'm one of those "some people" :) There is such drastic variation in the quality of M.Manna's clues that I find it hard to believe they're all written by the same person.

We rarely see somebody putting in “Very nice clue” or “Excellent clue” in any of the above puzzles.: On the THC forum, criticism/praise is generally low, for most contributors the focus is on getting the answers. But I find the individual solving blogs often express appreciation. That NIE clue is very nice, by the way.

Five of them. I know all of them, but all of them ...

2009-05-21T20:53:17.439+05:30

Five of them. I know all of them, but all of them don’t know me!
Like solvers, compilers too have a learning curve.
Nita and Neyartha are newcomers. Nita can produce quantity;
could even provide a crossword every day. Due to this quality suffers.Good for beginners who could quickly solve quite a few and won’t be put off from solving puzzles regularly. Neyartha is a bit weird.Somebody said crazy and went on to give the word meanings with which we usually don’t associate the said word with. But his (yes, Nita is the only female compiler) puzzles are not run-of-the-mill and would be loved by the techies(mostly from the Overseas thread group).
Sankalak’s puzzles: Nothing to complain about. Quite good. M.Manna:
Some trouble seems to have crept in recently. Maybe he has to supply the paper with so many x-words. Some people even started wondering whether two persons are involved in setting!? Gridman: As of now best of the lot as many would agree with me.Some references to South Indian names (Cho) and places (Errukkanchery) and so on.Soon we may have Idly and Dosa creeping in! Occasional references to Literature and poetry. But one thing: We rarely see somebody putting in “Very nice clue” or “Excellent clue” in any of the above puzzles. Just have a look at this clue (from NIE)which
someone commented as very nice: THEY MAY BE PLACED BUT ARE BEST MISPLACED (4). {BETS*}. Well, you know what I mean.

All the ace solvers on the internet heap praises o...

2009-05-21T18:22:48.746+05:30

All the ace solvers on the internet heap praises on Neyartha and I used to feel maybe I don't get it. I never warmed to her style.

From prev comments it gives me comfort of sorts that I am not alone. I think calling Neyartha substandard was harsh but a thought came to me on reading maddy's comment (very interesting comment and more because I want to know what was deleted). Neyartha's crosswords are set to impress the solvers not to entertain the solvers. If I have to nitpick I can't find fault but the feeling remains.

Nita Jaggi is going to make a reality show on crosswords?! I hope the quality is better than her print crosswords. She must be happy that at least somewhere (DNA) she is getting featured in a positive light. On any Hindu Crossword forum she only gets brickbats.

As a solver of crosswords over 10 years,i am reall...

2009-05-21T12:38:25.945+05:30

As a solver of crosswords over 10 years,i am really catching up after i dicovers this blogpost.I like all compilers because of thier diversified settings in the crosswords. I am really enjoying my time with The Hindu crosswords. Finally my thanks to Ms.Anokha and Col.Gopinath for their guidance.

@Shuchi Can we please have the original comment by...

2009-05-21T10:59:25.025+05:30

@Shuchi
Can we please have the original comment by maddy? Pretty Please? :)

As the topic thrown up Suchi is very interesting, ...

2009-05-21T09:38:35.982+05:30

As the topic thrown up Suchi is very interesting, I find a small vacume, in that, a few great crossword solvers have not put in their bit to enlighten us newcomers.

I mean, comments from Col.Deepakji and Chaturvasi should find a place. Hope they are reading this and chip in their most valuable comments.

Am glad that you could actually read the first com...

2009-05-20T21:15:26.769+05:30

Am glad that you could actually read the first comment ( i was secretly hoping so :-)) in a perfect world that would have been the post... but when i re-read it on the blog after posting, i thought it was a bit too vitolic and people may take offence not seeing the funny side of it.

Anyways who am i to pass judgements...even the bible says "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you" Amen LOL...

Hi Maddy, A very well thought-out comment, thank y...

2009-05-20T20:06:30.685+05:30

Hi Maddy, A very well thought-out comment, thank you.

I must confess that I found your earlier deleted comment very funny. I spilt water on my keyboard reading it. Still, in the interests of propriety I am glad you put up a sober version of it :)