Thursday 14 June 2012

Clue challenge: Annotate these answers V

annotate-clues In dealing with a cryptic clue, getting the right answer is not enough. You haven't truly solved the clue till you have figured out why that is the answer.

Presenting for you a new edition of Clue Challenge. Eight clues are given below - with their answers. Your challenge is fill in the 'why' by annotating the answers.

Update (18th June 2012): Annotations added.

1. Indy 7952 (Anax): With no use for banks, user has not changed password (6) SESAME
Annotation: SE (uSEr without its banks i.e. extreme letters) SAME (not changed); definition: password. 'Sesame' is probably the most famous password in fiction.

2. Guardian 25608 (Brendan): French author negating conclusions of stupid fool (5) DUMAS
Annotation: DUM[b] AS[s]; definition: French author.

3. Times 25147: Fuel drops fell away from casing  (6) DIESEL
Annotation: DIES (drops) EL (fELl without its casing i.e. extreme letters); definition: fuel.

4. Guardian 25637 (Paul): The price for police security while you sleep, might you say, in compound? (6,7) COPPER NITRATE
Annotation: homophone of COPPER (i.e. police) NIGHT RATE; definition: compound.

5. Times 25155: Clue less hard with jumbo flipping complete!  (8) INTEGRAL
Annotation: HINT (clue) – H (hard) + LARGE (jumbo) reversed; definition: complete.

6. FT 13999 (Loroso): Apple one leaves in place (6) PIPPIN
Annotation: I (one) + PP (leaves i.e. pages, noun), in PIN (place, verb); definition: apple.

7. Times 25169: Bank deposits say, key currency (5,6) LEGAL TENDER
Annotation: LENDER (bank) deposits i.e. contains E.G. (say) ALT (key, the one on the computer keyboard); definition: currency.

8. Times 25169: Brainwashed outcast regressing fast flies away with this? (6,9) INSECT REPELLENT
Annotation: IN SECT (brainwashed), LEPER (outcast) reversed, LENT (fast); definition: flies away with this? 'Sect' is used as a derogatory word for a group with extreme views - to be part of a sect one would have to be brainwashed.

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20 comments

Bhavan said...

Thought this lot were a little easier than the earlier ones, but was stuck on part of the last clue.
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1. Indy 7952 (Anax): With no use for banks, user has not changed password (6) uSEr + SAME

2. Guardian 25608 (Brendan): French author negating conclusions of stupid fool (5) DUM(-b) + AS(-s)

3. Times 25147: Fuel drops fell away from casing (6) DIES + (f-)EL(-l)

4. Guardian 25637 (Paul): The price for police security while you sleep, might you say, in compound? (6,7) COP PER NIGHT RATE (~)

5. Times 25155: Clue less hard with jumbo flipping complete! (8) (h-)INT + EGRAL<-

6. FT 13999 (Loroso): Apple one leaves in place (6) P(I + PP)IN

7. Times 25169: Bank deposits say, key currency (5,6) L(EG + AL,T)ENDER

8. Times 25169: Brainwashed outcast regressing fast flies away with this? (6,9) INSECT (REPEL<-) + LENT
Brainwashed = INSECT correlation I don't see yet

sancryptic said...

Nice clues!

1. [U]SE[R] + SAME
2. DUM[B] AS[S]
3. DIES + [F]EL[L]
4. COPPER + NITRATE (~Night Rate)
5. [H]INT + (LARGE)<
6. PIP + PIN ?
7. CD?
8. IN SECT + (LEPER)< + LENT

Still thinking about 6 and 7...

Lakshmi Vaidyanathan said...

1. Indy 7952 (Anax): With no use for banks, user has not changed password (6) SESAME
Anno: USER ---with no banks = (U)SE(R) + Has not changed --- SAME
SESAME.

Raghunath said...

1.SESAME : (- U SE - R) + SAME (not changed)

2.DUMAS : DUM - B +AS - S

3.DIESEL : DIES + - F EL - L

4.COPPER NITRATE : COPPER , NIT + RATE . NIT ~ Night

5.INTEGRAL : ( - H INT)+ EGRAL<-

6.PIPPIN : PIP (Apple seed) + PIN (in place)

7.LEGAL TENDER : EG ALT in LENDER.

8.INSECT REPELLENT : IN + SECT, (REPEL<-) LENT. Brainwashed: Joined sect.

Chesterley said...

#7 is the only one I'm not certain on:

1. [u]SE[r]+SAME (removal of "banks")

2. DUM[b]+AS[s] (removal of final letters)

3. DIES+[f]EL[l] (removal of "casing")

4. "COPPER NIGHT RATE" homophone

5. [h]INT+EGRAL (large rev.)

6. P(I+PP)IN ("leaves" = pages)

7. L(EG+ALT)ENDER (Does "key" mean ALT as in "alto"?)

8. "IN SECT"+REPEL+LENT (leper rev., "fast" = act of fasting)

Steve Ball said...

1. (u)SE(r) + SAME
2. DUM(b) AS(s)
3. DIES + (f)EL(l)
4. COPPER NIGHT RATE homophone
5. (h)INT + LARGE rev.
8. IN SECT + LEPER rev. + LENT

Missing 6 and 7.

Steve = : ^ )

Bhalchandra Pasupathy said...

Shall set the ball rolling:

2: Stupid = Dumb
Fool = Ass
Negating conclusions(taking off the last letter from each)->Dum+As
ie DUMAS giving
def: French Author (Alexandre Dumas)

4: def = compound, Copper Nitrate
Police = Copper (cop, copper)
price = rate
price when you sleep = night rate, sounds like nitrate

5: Clue = Hint; less Hard ie H = Int
Jumbo = Large, flipping this EGRAL <-
INT+EGRAL = Integral, ie
def: complete

C.G. BHARGAV said...

. Guardian 25608 (Brendan): French author// negating conclusions// of stupid fool (5) DUMAS
DUM{-B} AS{-S}

C.G. BHARGAV said...

Indy 7952 (Anax): With no use for banks,// user// has not changed //password (6) SESAME

{-U}SE{-R} SAME

Lakshmi Vaidyanathan said...

French author negating conclusions of stupid fool (5) DUMAS
Anno:Negating conclusions of
Stupid + Fool - Dum(b)+ As(s) Dumas
Fuel drops fell away from casing (6) DIESEL
Anno: Drops--Dies+
(F)el(l)
The price for police security while you sleep, might you say, in compound? (6,7) COPPER NITRATE Anno: police security - Copper The price - Rate
while you sleep - Night ( I am not sure about this part night - NIT?)
Clue less hard with jumbo flipping complete! (8) INTEGRAL
Anno: Clue - Hint ( Less 'H'ard) -Int
Jumbo -Large Integral

C.G. BHARGAV said...

Guardian 25637 (Paul): The price for police security// while you sleep, might you say, in compound? (6,7) COPPER NITRATE

COPPER {NIT(~night)} RATE

SandhyaP said...

1. With no use for banks, user has not changed password (6) {(-u)SE(-r)}{SAME}

2. French author negating conclusions of stupid fool (5) {DUM(-b)}{AS(-s)}

3.Fuel drops fell away from casing (6) {DIES}{(-f)EL(-l)}

4. The price for police security while you sleep, might you say, in compound? (6,7) {COPPER} {NIT(~night)}{RATE}

5. Clue less hard with jumbo flipping complete! (8) {(-h)INT}{EGRAL <-}

6.Apple one leaves in place (6) P{I}{PP}IN

7. Bank deposits say, key currency (5,6) L{EG}{AL T}ENDER

8. Brainwashed outcast regressing fast flies away with this? (6,9) INSECT {REPEL<-}{LENT} Unable to figure out the 1st part.

Balaji said...

1. Indy 7952 (Anax): With no use for banks, user has not changed password (6) SESAME
(-U)SE(-R) SAME. 'With no use for banks' seems rather verbose to indicate deletions.

2. Guardian 25608 (Brendan): French author negating conclusions of stupid fool (5) DUMAS
DUM(-B) AS(-S)

4. Guardian 25637 (Paul): The price for police security while you sleep, might you say, in compound? (6,7) COPPER NITRATE.
COPPER NIT (~NIGHT) RATE. That's ingenious.

5. Times 25155: Clue less hard with jumbo flipping complete! (8) INTEGRAL
(-H) INT EGRAL<-

6. FT 13999 (Loroso): Apple one leaves in place (6) PIPPIN.
My guess P (I PP)IN, place = PIN, one = I, leaves = PP as in pages. Pippin seems to be type of apple. leaves = PP is devious.

7. Times 25169: Bank deposits say, key currency (5,6) LEGAL TENDER. L(EG ALT)ENDER.
Bank = LENDER, say = EG, key = ALT. I could have never got ALT for a key. Darn difficult. Is this an Anax clue?

Crucifer said...

1. uSEr + SAME (no use for banks = drop first outer letters)

2. DUM(b)AS(s)

3. DIES+f(EL)l (similar to 1)

4. homophone for COPPER NIGHT RATE

5. (h)INT + LARGE<

6. IPP in PIN (one leaves = I PP/pages)

7. EG + ALT(key) in LENDER

8. Can see LEPER< + LENT but not Brainwashed = INSECT. Frustrating!

raju umamaheswar said...

Schuchi

I am not good at annotations but always end up solving. Only from the HCC have I known that solvers also analyze threadbare the solutions. I have tried my best here as the postulates and probabilities can be anything !!

I cannot wait enough till 18th for your annotations !!


--1.Copper- Police man - his his price- rate-while you sleep night(nite, compound -COPPER NITRATE.

2.French author - DUMAS - Dump Ass -negating conclusions -remove B and S.

3.Brainwashed outcast regressing fast flies away with this? - outcast regressing- leper-REPEL- fast- LENT-

4. Fuel drops fell away from casing-(6) DIESEL--drops--dies--fell-- f & l away from casing--el DIESEL.

5. Apple one leaves in place (6) PIPPIN--variety of apple

6. Clue less hard- H-int- Jumbo- Large flipping--egra-- INT EGRAL -complete

7. Bank deposits, say, key currency(5,6) LEGAL TENDER-- Cheques deposited in Banks are legal tender.-key currency

8. With no use for banks, user has not changed password(6) SESAME.- OPEN SESAME not changed --same--

In the absence of any grid, it is rather difficult to justify, since only the attaching answers will do so.


Raju

C.G. BHARGAV said...

imes 25155: Clue// less hard// with jumbo flipping //complete! (8) INTEGRAL

{-H}INT EGRAL<

C.G. BHARGAV said...

Times 25169: Brainwashed// outcast regressing// fast// flies away with this? (6,9) INSECT REPELLENT

INSECT (REPEL<-} LENT

Brainwashed not clear.

Nadathur Rajan said...

1. With no use for banks, user [-u]SE[-r]
has not changed SAME
Defn: password (SE)(SAME) in Ali Baba

2. negating conclusions of stupid DUM[-b] fool AS[-s]
Defn: French author (DUM[-b])(AS[-s])

3. drops DIES
fell away from casing [-f]EL[-l]
Defn: Fuel (DIES)([-f]EL[-l])

4. The price for police security while you sleep, might you say ~ copper night rate (COPPER) (NIT)(RATE)
might you say Homonym indicator ~
Defn: compound COPPER NITRATE

5. Clue less hard [-h]INT
with
jumbo flipping LARGE <- = EGRAL

Defn: complete ([-h]INT)(EGRAL<-)

6. one I
leaves PP (pages)
in
place PIN

Defn: apple {P(I)(PP)IN}

7. bank LENDER
deposits Container indicator
say EG
key ALT (computer key)

Defn: currency {L(EG)(AL,T)ENDER}

8. Brainwashed IN SECT
outcast LEPER; regressing <- = LEPER<-= REPEL
fast LENT

Defn: flies away with this (IN/SECT) (REPEL<-)(LENT)

Shuchi said...

Looks like #1 and #2 were the easiest, #7 and #8 the toughest of the lot. Well done to those who got any of these, I thought all were pretty tricky.

@Bhavan: That was quick!

@Chesterley: You really know your musical keys :) I'm reminded of minor = M.

@SandhyaP: Nicely parsed. The last clue is probably harder for us Indians since we use 'sect' to mean any group with distinctive beliefs, mostly not in a negative sense.

@Balaji: #1: 'with no use for banks' fits neatly with the surface meaning, I thought it was an interesting way to delete the end letters.

#7: I wonder whose clue it is, Times is set anonymously. Coincidentally, today's Times has another clue with the same wordplay:

Money put in bank, for example, with key? (5,6)

@raju: How will the grid make a difference? None of the answers in this post has any grid dependency.

@Nadathur Rajan: Applause for getting the full set.

raju umamaheswar said...

A crossword without a grid is like separating wife and husband from each other. One is incomplete without the other !!